They will of course state that about but backs and compensation however what happens in reality could be very different, especially if the vehicle is significantly different to the vehicle the customer bought originally in terms of its performance and economy! This is especially true in the USA where buy backs are a common occurrence anyway in some states due to their consumer law
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They will of course state that about but backs and compensation however what happens in reality could be very different, especially if the vehicle is significantly different to the vehicle the customer bought originally in terms of its performance and economy! This is especially true in the USA where buy backs are a common occurrence anyway in some states due to their consumer law
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I'm guessing if I have to bring my Scirocco into VW at any point now that they will apply this 'update' to it. So if that happens would, for example a Revo remap, take it off again. Or what if my car had a remap? Would this take the remap off and bring it back to stock?
I was going to go to VW to maintain the full VW service history but that now will not happen.
Anybody know a good VW specialist around North Down (not Martin Motors in Ards)?
I was going to go to VW to maintain the full VW service history but that now will not happen.
Anybody know a good VW specialist around North Down (not Martin Motors in Ards)?
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How would performance and/or economy be effected after removing software from the ECU that only kicks in in test conditions?
CAP have also put out a statement relayed via Volkswagen that residual values will not be effected.
I think they've been disputing the test results from they were caught. They only admitted it properly on the 3rd of September or something.
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There was a lot on this the other day. Apparently there are different kinds of recalls.
If there is a potentially dangerous problem, then the manufacturer is able to access various registers like DVLA to track down owners, and make sure the updates happen.
Since this is not a potentially dangerous problem (there is no thereat of injury or death), they will not be able to do that. So any update will only happen if people show up by themselves, or if cars show up in normal servicing, etc.
But if the result of the update will be worse fuel economy and/or decreased performance, then why on earth would anyone actually take that update? And because it is not a potentially dangerous issue, they will not be able to force anyone either.
And, of course, anyone with a remapped car would just overwrite the whole thing again anyway. If anything, it might be a boost to the remap industry to reverse any updates from VW and improve economy and performance, lol
Also saw today that the problem is actually on "older" gen 5 engines, and that all new cars sold already have a later gen 6 engine. And apparently these new engines do not have this "problem". Or rather, in the new engines whatever they are doing has been refined so it is not detectable - yet
There will be some token "update" offered, which may or may not be taken by customers. And there will be a political settlement involving a fine for VW. A committee will be set up at EU level to "review" the tests, there will be some token but immaterial changes so everyone can say something was done. Nobody will look too closely at the other manufacturers, and then the whole thing will be buried.
There is too much invested in the current scheme. It has nothing to do with the environment, it is all about taxation. And there is no way there will be a major revision to the car tax regime across Europe any time soon. Since it is all about taxation, it makes no difference what these "numbers" actually mean - they have always been a completely arbitrary way to "measure" cars for tax purposes, with a "green" smokescreen so everyone can feel good about it all.
There was a lot on this the other day. Apparently there are different kinds of recalls.
If there is a potentially dangerous problem, then the manufacturer is able to access various registers like DVLA to track down owners, and make sure the updates happen.
Since this is not a potentially dangerous problem (there is no thereat of injury or death), they will not be able to do that. So any update will only happen if people show up by themselves, or if cars show up in normal servicing, etc.
But if the result of the update will be worse fuel economy and/or decreased performance, then why on earth would anyone actually take that update? And because it is not a potentially dangerous issue, they will not be able to force anyone either.
And, of course, anyone with a remapped car would just overwrite the whole thing again anyway. If anything, it might be a boost to the remap industry to reverse any updates from VW and improve economy and performance, lol
Also saw today that the problem is actually on "older" gen 5 engines, and that all new cars sold already have a later gen 6 engine. And apparently these new engines do not have this "problem". Or rather, in the new engines whatever they are doing has been refined so it is not detectable - yet
There will be some token "update" offered, which may or may not be taken by customers. And there will be a political settlement involving a fine for VW. A committee will be set up at EU level to "review" the tests, there will be some token but immaterial changes so everyone can say something was done. Nobody will look too closely at the other manufacturers, and then the whole thing will be buried.
There is too much invested in the current scheme. It has nothing to do with the environment, it is all about taxation. And there is no way there will be a major revision to the car tax regime across Europe any time soon. Since it is all about taxation, it makes no difference what these "numbers" actually mean - they have always been a completely arbitrary way to "measure" cars for tax purposes, with a "green" smokescreen so everyone can feel good about it all.
There are different types of campaigns as we call them yes but an emissions recall is just as serious as a safety recall as the car is currently illegal. Hence this will be an active recall where they write to customers telling them to come in.
You are correct though when you state that they cannot make customers take the recall as it is their asset at the end of the day. However in the USA for example you have to actively track the uptake of an emissions recall and justify why you are not updating all the vehicles. The USA also have a heavier emphasis on in use emissions testing on vehicles and owners cannot drive their vehicles if they fail this test. In some countries if their emissions testing during their version of an MOT is good enough then they may have to take the update to pass, this isn't true in this country.
In terms of a remap then yes that will obviously change the parameters. However be aware that most newer vehicles have a flag in the PCM which sets when the vehicle has been remapped and this can invalidate your warranty for powertrain components.
Yes EU6 engines are not affected - this is because the legislation got even tighter, particularly for NOx and as such my opinion is they had to fit additional after treatment hardware anyway as they couldn't get within the limits with just controlling engine out emissions only like they could in EU5. If you have to fit the additional hardware you may as well use it.
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Because the fix would not be to remove that piece of software, the fix would be to make that piece of software the one the car actually uses all the time as it is the software that passes the emissions test. This is the legal requirement - the software used to pass the test must be the default software used in the real world.
In reality it probably won't be that piece of software but a compromise between that software and the better real world one so that they just pass emissions and keep as much real world performance and economy as possible but real world performance and economy will have to suffer.
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As this is likely to be a software update then yes it will remove your remap. You could obviously then reload your map afterwards if you wanted.
As its your asset I'm unsure what will happen if you brought the car in and actively asked them not to do the update and only do the service. I know they have an obligation to tell you about with they did but I'm not sure of what would happen if you asked them not to do it.
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Legally because of all the nonsense, I'd say VW would have to have record they've updated all vehicles.
No big deal, anyone remapping their car should know there is always a risk that if they take the car to a main dealer it could be wiped out at any time, as updates can be carried out at any time for various reasons.
If you never want that to happen, dont have it remapped or dont take it to a main dealer.
No big deal, anyone remapping their car should know there is always a risk that if they take the car to a main dealer it could be wiped out at any time, as updates can be carried out at any time for various reasons.
If you never want that to happen, dont have it remapped or dont take it to a main dealer.
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It'll be interesting to see the outcome of what the real world MPG actually is. When you have new-gen turbo petrol cars easily doing 40 MPG+ nowadays, it literally could spell the end of diesel cars over the next couple of decades if it's found that diesels aren't actually much more economical, but are pumping out far more emissions.
Dad's Mk7 Golf R does 40+ MPG no bother, when Mum is driving it anyway. 300 BHP 4WD.
Dad's Mk7 Golf R does 40+ MPG no bother, when Mum is driving it anyway. 300 BHP 4WD.
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The emissions' testing scandal will have no discernible impact on Volkswagen residual values, says CAP.
Dylan Setterfield, senior forecasting editor at CAP, said: “We do not expect there to be any significant impact on used values for VAG models in the UK as a direct result of the US emissions scandal.
"The last global recall was the Toyota/Lexus issue, and despite the fact that this had serious safety implications, there was no discernible impact on used values.
“It is also far from certain that VAG are the only ones to have employed such technology on their vehicles in the USA.
“UK consumers remain relatively unaware of nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions and are far more accepting of diesel technology than their counterparts in the USA.
"The overriding view is that diesel vehicles are more economical than their petrol equivalents (even if this is not always the case), and the torque characteristics of diesel engines are generally popular with drivers.
“There is already wide acceptance that official data regarding CO2 emissions and fuel economy are broadly unreliable across the board. This is reputational issue for VW and I’m sure they will take steps to reassure customers and rebuild trust.”
CAP says it has had a high volume of enquiries from across the industry around potential impacts on used values.
Setterfield said: “Until the full impact of the issue is fully understood, it is very difficult to plan around the problem. We recommend a watching brief as the situation evolves."
He's on a roll:
Volkswagen – a history of deceit
Posted in News by Sniff Petrol on Thursday, September 24th, 2015
The current VW diesel engine scandal is not the first time the German company has mislead its customers, as demonstrated in this exclusive retrospective.
1950 – When asked who founded company, claims to have ‘forgotten his name. Oh you know, chap with a moustache. Look, it’s not important.’
1961 – Denies the existence of water, especially for cooling engines.
1973 – Admits to over 30 years of fitting engines ‘at the wrong end’.
1981 – Launches Polo mk2, pretends not to know what ‘brakes’ are.
1989 – Claims front bumper brackets of facelift mk2 Golf are ‘definitely strong enough’.
1991 – Promises glovebox lid of mk3 Golf will stay closed.
1995 – Describes Polo Harlequin as ‘stylish’.
1997 – Accidentally uses GTI badge on mk4 Golf.
2003 – Claims to have sold a Phaeton to someone.
2006 – Admits all Passat TDIs in the outside lane of British motorways have secret ‘bellend
Volkswagen – a history of deceit
Posted in News by Sniff Petrol on Thursday, September 24th, 2015
The current VW diesel engine scandal is not the first time the German company has mislead its customers, as demonstrated in this exclusive retrospective.
1961 – Denies the existence of water, especially for cooling engines.
1973 – Admits to over 30 years of fitting engines ‘at the wrong end’.
1981 – Launches Polo mk2, pretends not to know what ‘brakes’ are.
1989 – Claims front bumper brackets of facelift mk2 Golf are ‘definitely strong enough’.
1991 – Promises glovebox lid of mk3 Golf will stay closed.
1995 – Describes Polo Harlequin as ‘stylish’.
1997 – Accidentally uses GTI badge on mk4 Golf.
2003 – Claims to have sold a Phaeton to someone.
2006 – Admits all Passat TDIs in the outside lane of British motorways have secret ‘bellend
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Hahahaha!
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Thank **** I went for a 330d and not an A3!
Im sure BMW are at it as well mind you!
Im sure BMW are at it as well mind you!
A wee video doing the rounds-
How Much Power Does A Diesel VW Make With Its 'Defeat Device' Turned On Vs Turned Off?
How Much Power Does A Diesel VW Make With Its 'Defeat Device' Turned On Vs Turned Off?
cant take that video as any use at all. they have absolutely no idea whats going on and just guessing that the car is in its sneaky sneak tree and eskimo killing mode.
also poked around enough cars and dynos to take most readings with a pinch of sault. Good for a indication and health check, but not good enough to start investigating VW
also poked around enough cars and dynos to take most readings with a pinch of sault. Good for a indication and health check, but not good enough to start investigating VW
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Tried this today , my 2010 FR TDI 170 is a "maybe"
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Seen a pop up add today saying exactly this !
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